Why I am an Ex-Muslim

Whilst I find biographical writing egotistical in most cases, I hope to indulge here in a trajectory of thought rather than a life. I hope to show my own severing of the Islamic veil, which shrouded everything within its bleak dichotomous imagery, and how it is that ex-Muslims are a rarity. Though we are growing in number, there are not many who are willing to openly criticise Islam – I consider this to be part laziness, part apathy and part incredulity by “moderate” Muslims.The major reasons and criticisms will be dealt with in the second part.

Is it racist to loathe some one’s nonevidential-based and metaphysical beliefs? I do not think so. If this were true, I’d be considered alongside the person who decided “Whites Only” was a good sign to make on park-benches. We do not find black people declaring themselves ex-black, or white people declaring themselves ex-white. To say then that I am a racist is incorrect. I was Muslim, now I am no longer.

The question then is why declare oneself by what one is not. Why focus on being an ex-Muslim?

Power in Words

Defining oneself by a negative is something we as sceptics and atheists often have to puzzle over. Indeed, such a sentence might itself preclude this notion. I have said and I will continue to say that atheism is not a thing, a group, a set of goals. It is not a group of people clamouring for their world view to be adopted, since it is not a world-view. It comes close to be meaninglessness as air comes to being an ocean breeze. Indeed, the harshest critiques of labelling arises from amongst the “upper” echelons of the pursuit of reason.

Sam Harris in his address at Atheist Alliance in 2007, picks up on this theme of racism and atheism too, when he states:

Attaching a label to something carries real liabilities, especially if the thing you are naming isn’t really a thing at all. And atheism, I would argue, is not a thing. It is not a philosophy, just as “non-racism” is not one. Atheism is not a worldview—and yet most people imagine it to be one and attack it as such. We who do not believe in God are collaborating in this misunderstanding by consenting to be named and by even naming ourselves. So, let me make my somewhat seditious proposal explicit: We should not call ourselves “atheists.” We should not call ourselves “secularists.” …  “humanists,” or “secular humanists,” or “naturalists,” or “skeptics,” or “anti-theists,” or “rationalists,” or “freethinkers,” or “brights.”

We should not call ourselves anything. We should go under the radar—for the rest of our lives. And while there, we should be decent, responsible people who destroy bad ideas wherever we find them.

No doubt, my dear readers, some of you will already have objections to this. Whilst I am not dealing with atheism in general, the application to ex-Muslim can be seen as a two-pronged defence: To labeling ourselves atheists and maintaining the use of ex-Muslim.

The main reason: No, there is no such thing as non-racism. But there was a very prominent, destructive, irrational and un-evidential claim known as racism. But we can not deny the activism of “black consciousness”; No reasonable person today would support my country’s history of apartheid. Yet during that time, people proudly – but sometimes in secrete for fear of reprisal – called themselves “anti-apartheid activists”. Yet would any of us today call ourselves “anti-apartheid”? Well, yes, if there was an apartheid to oppose.

Similarly, the tide must turn with faith. I believe it must be eradicated, for good if we are to even grasp at the near-infinite beauty of a good life. No: We do not call ourselves non-astrologers, as Harris states. Nonetheless, just as it needed activism to render most people’s accepted world-view of “race” into something aversive, I think it will take such “activism” to render faith into the vice it is. But this is for another article.

I believe, then, that the use of reason effectively dealt with racism, such that only stragglers and madmen could present themselves proudly as racists today. Similarly, with faith: It too is a great retardation of intelligence. But one so great that even those who do not have “faith” sometimes think it must be sacred, left to its own devices, “it’s not harming anyone” (those I call IDGAFS1).

And a form of faith that has coiled into a great fist, smashing the ground beneath our feet, is Islam. All religions have their horrors and their extremists, no one denies this. Essentially, it is our main point in critiquing it: Religion is man-made. That must be religion’s most salient and nocuous property.

And no more so demonstrated than through the repugnant, almost childish knee-jerk reactions from fundamentalist Muslims. Having unwoven the threads of caustic intellectual abuse, by the hands of the vice of faith, I can finally step back to see this for what it is. But there are no woods to step out of to see trees of respect, love, or reason. Faith would have us cover our eyes and just nod to shadows. Islam, being what it is, as dangerous as it is, would send those shadows out to fight. It is time to fight back.

We know what a terrible darkness such shadows of truth hold.

The Triumph of Reason

I can admit something I was never very proud of before: I do not think I ever truly believed in a god or afterlife. Along with probably most of you, I am the addressee of Pascal’s Pensées: He who is so made that he can not believe. I learnt the Quran – and still know it – from beginning to end. I can read and write in Arabic. It is a very beautiful language and the incredible aesthetic beauty of its script no less appealing.

But what does the Quran say? If you had asked me that after I had read it the first time, then proceeded to memorise it, I would have stared at you blankly.

As we speak, there are approximately 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, comprising 22% of world. The results may vary but we can assume this: There’s a lot. Of those, I’m an uncertain how many of those are children of Muslim parents (did you flinch when you thought of “Muslim children”?). We can safely say though that millions of children around the world are taught to read, learn and recite in Arabic without understanding a word they’re saying.

I did not know I was reading this, when I recited:

98:6 Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

88:23-24 But whoso is averse and disbelieveth /Allah will punish him with direst punishment.

These are mere tips of growing icebergs, as fundamentalists freeze ancient ideas into growing pandemics of destruction.

Perhaps your own thoughts can formulate on why it is dangerous to learn in a language you essentially do not speak, to learn sentences you would not condone. I do not condone murder or destruction or harm to any person, yet here I was, learning verses spoken by “Allah Himself” (via Jibreel, to Muhammad, to the scribes, to etc.). Who was I to question my duty as a Muslim?

I attended seven madrassas. At each one, I was physically abused by the jaded jackals of god’s word. If we did not pronounce certain Arabic letters correctly, our fingers were bleeding after a good dose of punishment by a cane. We were yelled at, screamed at, hair was torn out in anger as we were not feeling Allah’s power and grace and beauty. It is neither hard nor uncommon to consider such occurences and perhaps that’s what makes it so wrong. A lot of my ex-Muslim friends also went through similar conditions. All this amidst a growing society, fresh from the battle against oppression – a society still licking its war-wounds and scrambling for some semblance of stability.

I neither consider myself scarred, harmed or abused to any great degree. I am neither angry at those men nor wish them harm. In a sense, I thank them for instilling the most powerful seed that resides in the human mind: Doubt.

We all know the foundation for stable thought in analysis begins with Cogito ergo sum. Yet, we must also remember Dubito ergo Cogito (I doubt, therefore I think), THEN Cogito ergo sum. I found myself wondering, if god’s love is so great, his power so immense, why do I constantly feel nothing but the biting cain against my knuckles?; Why do I feel nothing but paper when I touch the Quran?; and where is that rapturous experience that exudes from all the imams and mullahs I had interacted with?

It was then that stumbled across the most important book in my life: The Satanic Verses. It was to render that doubt into reason, to turn my apathy into action and so stabilise why I think being an outspoken ex-Muslim is important…

ENDNOTES

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1. Idgafs are not necessarily “not giving a frack”, as the term suggests, but they are primarily nonbelievers who treat faith as something that should not be attacked, mocked, criticised, or at least attempted to be understood using emotion. Most nonbelievers I know are like this, even though they would be supporting me in any other area to promote reason.

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37 thoughts on “Why I am an Ex-Muslim

  1. hmm… i see you break rules. “ex-muslims” sure are a very rare bread and most of them don’t speak up even if they are. i’ve been randomly reading your posts here and there and trying to understand the “psyche” of an “ex-muslim”. though your no different than any other hindu or christian speaking out against those “evil” flaws in there religion but you being a “ex-muslim” made it interesting to read. :)

  2. Interesting. I have recently started reading emglish translation of Koran and I came across the verses you mentioned above. How do “believers” explain them? Do you know of some commentary from “believers” on these verses ?

  3. The question I ponder is this; do most Muslims, specifically the ones who tout Islam as a peaceful religion, actually believe that Islam is peaceful due to their own ignorance of the suras of the Quran or are they simply frightened by the community they were born into? It reminds me a lot of the spanish inquisition when people by the millions, muslims included, claimed christianity as the one truth in religion just to save their asses.

  4. Justin,

    Islam is a peaceful religion. The only instance one is permitted to resort to non-peaceful means is in an act of self-defence. This makes a lot of sense to me. It makes sense that to wage war is wrong, and Islam forbids this. It also makes sense not to sit back and be killed without fighting back. If somebody attacked you, would you remain still and let them continue? Or would you fight back? Islam, contrary to what you may believe, is a religion of reason. ‘Rules’ are prescribed for reasons. Nothing in Islam is arbitrary. You’re likely to have heard that it’s more a way of life than a religion.

    I’ve quoted this already but since you would like to know why Islam (meaning ‘Peace’) is a peaceful religion, I think the following may interest you:

    “Whoever kils a human being, not in lieu of another human being nor because of mischief on earth, it is as if he has killed all mankind, and if he saves a human life, he has saved the life of all mankind”. – The Holy Qur’an, v-32.

    We believe Islam is a peaceful religion, because it is. I am not frightened to question my beliefs. I constantly do so. Islam in fact requires us to seek knowledge ‘from the cradle to the grave’. However, I am constantly amazed by the beauty of this religion – with regard to morality, how to treat other people, The Qur’an’s amazing congruence with science.

    There is not one instance in the entire Qur’an that has been proved wrong by science. The big bang theory, which scientists only discovered quite recently, is described in detail in the Qur’an, along with many other recent scientific discoveries. I therefore also struggle to understand Tauriq’s assertion that religions are ‘man-made’ phenomena. How can Islam be ‘man-made’ if it explained advanced science over 1400 years ago, and which scientists are only discovering now?

    • Dear Yasmeen

      I hope you see the inherent faulty logic with your assertion that science only discovered notions of the Big Bang, after the Quran. You do realise how that makes no sense whatsoever? If that is the case, why have we not heard any advancement in terms of curing horrible diseases, advances in physics, etc. laid out by clerics in modern times to cater for the incredible universe we live in.

      Perhaps you are thinking of all the incredible Arabian scholars who advanced mathematics, medicine and science so wonderfully. Sure, and maybe like Newton, they were spurned on by their religion. But this is not your claim – your claim was that of the Quran, one of the most flawed, incoherent, mushed up nonsense this side of Lear’s verses.

      You do realise the mutaween can justify their horrific actions, which I am very glad to see you are horrifed at, by the same methods you use to say it is peaceful? I too can quote the Quran to say whatever I want. What is so beautiful about your religion?

      If it is not man-made, why has nothing arisen recently out of when it forms modern societies (Iran, Saudi, etc.) except the denigration of women. Clerics will acknowledge that within Islam there is no notion of universal human rights or equal treatments between the genders. Surely you have read most of the hadiths – many which contradict each other, for example, you talk about never killing, whereas I had three clerics email me informing me that I was correct that in the hadith I am to be killed as an apostate.

      So tell me, if the clerics acknowledge this, if the mutaween can pull the mental gymnastics like you in from the same book to justify their actions, do you not think this indicates at least its humanity – however vague and not something godly. If it was godly don’t you think we would all know by now? Seems to me the universe is far more beautiful than an arbitrary religion – which I am highly suspicious about, since I have been studying it for most of my life and found nothing but the causal relation between itself and war – surely, you know about its formation to cater to times of strife, surely you know about the horrible doctrine of abrogation where god’s “eternal” word is changed, surely you know that women are only equal to half a man in court, surely you know the Quran says “slay the nonbelievers where ye may find them”…?

      Come now. Life is more beautiful than that. I am not trying to convince or convert you. If you love your religion, good for you. But I will take issue if you say I have reported incorrectly what has clearly been said to me and by others, when they kill innocents in the name of your god and justified by your book. Of that I am horrified, but I will take issue when people constantly talk about a “religion of peace” which is fighting against freedom of speech and parading its horrific world-view, which is the demand silence for those who talk ill of Islam in UN. If you doubt me, just type Rushdie and fatwa. Did not the Ayatollah demand the death of Rushdie and his known associates for writing a FICTION book about the Prophet? Are you telling me the Ayatollah Khomeini, the great cleric, was not a or not a “true” Muslim (No True Scotsman fallacy)? I would like to see you justify that.

      No, I am sorry, keep your belief about your religion, but I will take issue when you say it is a religion of peace. It plainly is not. Where are the Muslims fighting for freedom of choice, peace, women’s emancipation? Is it because they are being shut down by their MUSLIM governments? What does that tell you? If not that it is potentially peaceful, we can see that it is definitely human.

  5. Yasmeen,

    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to speak out and remove all doubt. ”
    – Abraham Lincoln

  6. Yasmeen. In the beginning of the Quran it states that if I don’t believe right away then Allah will remove my ability to believe and then says that I am to suffer because of my lack of belief. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I have been threatened by muslims just for asking them questions and giving my opinions. You are either dillusioned or are part of the ever growing smokescreen that is the “Islam is a peaceful religion” mantra. There are no atheist bombers. Death to religion.

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  7. Re Yasmeen if that is indeed your name… clearly a perfect example of the brainwashing that occurs via the shackles of religion. Free your mind Yasmeen, stop employting these mental gymnastics to persuade yourself that Islam is a religion of peace. You are deluded. I pity you.

  8. My Question:Why didn’t atheism and secularism originate in the Muslim World?Expected response:capital punishment for apostacy. I am proud of it. If Islam is truth you don’t have the least right not to believe in it.We don’t have the least right to believe that earth is flat after knowing it’s actually spherical.If it’s not,paradoxically, it is only Islam that gives me the courage to die for truth.

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُونُواْ قَوَّامِينَ بِالْقِسْطِ شُهَدَاء لِلّهِ وَلَوْ عَلَى أَنفُسِكُمْ

    O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in upholding equity, bearing witness to the truth for the sake of God, even though it be against your own selves

    4:135

    A Christian asked me about the capital punishment, I replied Islam has made me so much steadfast that if I see the truth, I am willing to embrace death.

    Why is it something specific to Western civilisation?
    Isn’t it because Church had been the persecutor in West while Muslim Ulamaa like Imaam Abu Haneefah r.a. of Koofah(born 80 Hijrah)were the ones flogged and tortured by the cruel monarchs who tried to impose doctrines different from those of Allah’s Rasool s.a.a.w.s. and His Sahaabah r.a.a. on steadfast Ulamaa suffering similar to those of Galileo.The only difference was that Bid’ah was being imposed by a monarchy.

    The whole paradigm changes and this is what a western atheist would never like to acknowledge in order to paint Islam with the brush of Christianity, an attempt every conscious Muslim, not just hereditary Muslim, would forever resist.

  9. Elijah, that has to be one of the most convulted, misinformed comments on this thread. The simple fact that you have pride in your support of capital punishment for apostasy shows your ignorance, for pride is a sin in Islam.”He in whose heart there is as much as an atom of arrogance will not enter paradise,” and a man remarked: “A man likes his garment to be beautiful and his sandals to be beautiful.” Then Muhammad replied: “God, Most High, is beautiful and likes beauty; arrogance is disdaining what is true and despising people.” …Sorry, bud. Your ass is toast. See you in hell.

  10. Justin
    What does the fact that how easily you lost temper started screaming obscenities like the repulsive “Your ass is toast. See you in hell.”show? Isn’t it the hatred of religion quite common in the West.Passionate hatred of religion which is essentially the hatred of Christianity, because the only mental image the word ‘religion’ inescapably conjures up in the mind of someone raised in a Western society as well as someone who recieves the prevalent,not-culture-free and highly westernised global education ,the memories this word subconsciously evokes are those which trace back their origin in the history of Church (evident by how incessantly the word ‘Inquisiton’ is invoked in discussions involving religion or history like”It reminds me a lot of the spanish inquisition”) is intrinsic to people living at that part of the world due to the unfortunate history of persecution by Church and therefore its contact with other civilisations is bound to progressively marginalise religion in every culture excepting those who consciously stand firm in faith,who are well-versed in their own history from an independent( and therefore not Euro-centric perspective) and who are proficient in their mother languages at least as much as they are in English because only such can withstand this greatest onslaught of cultural hegemony in human history.

    Bertrand Russel quite insightfully described this attitude whether it is towards other world religions or world history in general as an undue concentration on Western history.

    “Our use of the phrase ‘The Dark Ages’ to cover the period from 699 to 1000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe … From India to Spain, the brilliant civilisation of Islam flourished. What was lost to Christendom at this time was not lost to civilisation, but quite the contrary … To us it seems that West-European civilisation is civilisation, but this is a narrow view”. (History of Western Philosophy, London, 1948, p.419).

    The Deen, and not religion, of Islam, on the other hand, has a history without a parallel in human history. Long before Galileo defied religious authority, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله defied the ruler of his time. The world needs an Imam Ahmad رحمه الله to defy the secularist hegemony which lies to the whole world about WMDs to subjugate a sovereign state with an impugnity chracteristic of a marriage between materialism and godlessness.

    My hatred to secularism is much more passionate than your hatred to your religion.I would reciprocate your outburst ” Death to religion.(i.e. Christianity you know which has nothing to do with Eesaa عليه السلام) with “Death to secularism”.

    When Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله was told that it was religiously permissible to say what pleases his persecuters without believing in it at the time of Mihnah(persecution), he said “If I remained silent and you remained silent, then who will teach the ignorant?”.

    Yes indeed Justin, He in whose heart there is as much as an atom of arrogance will not enter paradise

    Yes Indeed Justin, God, Most High, is beautiful and likes beauty;

    Yes indeed Justin, Arrogance is disdaining what is true

    Yes indeed Justin, Arrogance is despising people.

    I acknowledge that I had been at fault I should have used a more appropriate word than the usual “I am proud of”.

    Justin

    Notwithstanding how do you view Islam, what do you think about death?If you want to understand life, you should understand death.If you want to understand light, you should understand darkness.If you want to understand sound, you should understand silence.Death as a Muslim saint once desribed is a union with of lover with the beloved

    Our death is our wedding with eternity.
    What is the secret? “God is One.”
    The sunlight splits when entering the windows of the house.
    This multiplicity exists in the cluster of grapes;
    It is not in the juice made from the grapes.
    For he who is living in the Light of God,
    The death of the carnal soul is a blessing.
    Regarding him, say neither bad nor good,
    For he is gone beyond the good and the bad.
    Fix your eyes on God and do not talk about what is invisible,
    So that he may place another look in your eyes.
    It is in the vision of the physical eyes
    That no invisible or secret thing exists.
    But when the eye is turned toward the Light of God
    What thing could remain hidden under such a Light?
    Although all lights emanate from the Divine Light
    Don’t call all these lights “the Light of God”;
    It is the eternal light which is the Light of God,
    The ephemeral light is an attribute of the body and the flesh.
    …Oh God who gives the grace of vision!
    The bird of vision is flying towards You with the wings of desire.
    http://www.armory.com/~thrace/sufi/poems.html

  11. Elijah, I make no apologies, for upon study of most religions I find that I am in the minority and that the punishment for my beliefs is death and/or eternal damnation; therefore, for me to give you the slightest nudge of indignation seems nugatory in comparison. Besides, I am not angry at you or anyone else. I did not lose my temper, as you put it, in fact quite the opposite is true. Frankly I am confused. How is it that a human being can subjugate his intellect, reason, logic, rational thought and self worth to hateful ideology? Yes religion is hateful ideology. Sure you hide behind certain passages that proclaim peace and sure you will quote the good parts of your sordid history. But taken as a whole religion is hateful to the human spirit. Religion is nothing more than a tool for self control where there is seemingly none without it. Religious folk, in my observation, seem to think that they lack the self control that is necessary to live a peaceful life and they adopt the tenents of religion to guide them on their life path. FINE, no problem. But then…they make the decision that they cannot be alone in this lacking and assume that everyone is out of control of themselves and therefore they need the same set of control tools that they use. Different people have varied shortcomings so their have been created a multitude of universal truths to guide the souls of the willfully blinded. If this were simple philosophy I almost wouldn’t mind, but they took it too far. Now we have gods and zombies and flying horses. Give me a break, man. I don’t hate Islam. I don’t hate anything at all. But I have to tolerate religion on this planet much more than religion has to tolerate me and my atheism. That being said, nothing I say should ruffle your feathers too much, for in the end you will be free to persecute all the other religion’s believers as well as the atheists to your hearts desire. As far what I think of death. Well, people die just like every other living thing has and will do. I do not fear it as you do, so I need no consoling or ethereal explanations of heaven and angels or gods on clouds with harps, 72 virgins or any other number. (Death is a muslim saint. How quaint.) When I proclaim “death to religion” I am promoting the human spirit, the human intellect with reasoned thought and observation. This is the way we are made and for religion to denounce “god’s” work and proclaim that the human mind is to be strictly controlled and monitored by ideology alternate to nature to the point where you denounce life and proclaim “death to secularism” is the true cry of a schizophrenic mindset. I have read the history of the great scientific and mathematic works of the Islamic scholars. So what? Are you then proud of the numerous findings of the atheistic scientific community? I would guess not, for if you were you would have to do so on the precept that you appreciate their work separate from their religious ideologies, just as I appreciate what the Muslim scholars achieved and provided to the world. I would be interested to see how honest you can be with that self imposed conundrum. To be sure, I am vehemently against any ideology that does not promote human self worth and religion just fails at this to the point that it causes harm. It’s so sad it’s funny, I am against anything that hinders the human spirit and you stand against that. That enough makes you and your ideas a hinderance to a peaceful life. Death to religion, see you in hell, your ass is toast…..oh, and by the way: Don’t apologize to me for your sinning prideful indiscretions. Go apologize to your invisible, made up, space god who is too great for you to deal with him directly. God must have a closed door policy for his believers. Just leave a note and he will get back to you.

  12. Dear Sir
    It is really strange for me to hear this:
    by the way: Don’t apologize to me for your sinning prideful indiscretions.

    I am feeling physically very weak to reciprocate your yet another emotionally-charged polemic in kind with my exams approaching on 27th.
    You are one of my first encounters with those raised in your part of the world including your religious compatriots and despite superficial distinctions in the declared beliefs people there have most things in common and that would require a whole thesis to cover.

    When we engage in discussions in Urdu, Tanqeed (criticism) in intended to culminate in I’tiraaf(acknowledgement of mistake) and Islaah(recification of mistake) I’tiraaf is free of any concept of ‘apologizing TO whom’.
    I have failed to understand the intended purpose of your referring to the words of the Apostle of God صلى الله عليه وسلم (as we refer to Him in our usual conversations with friends,parents, brothers and sisters, and therefore sth quaint in your part of the world may be the most ) regarding Kibr (arrogance) and admission into Jannah (Heaven).

    Religion is nothing more than a tool for self control where there is seemingly none without it. Religious folk, in my observation, seem to think that they lack the self control that is necessary to live a peaceful life and they adopt the tenents of religion to guide them on their life path.

    You may be right in the context of your own scenario and your observation of Christian compatriots where the control tools evolve, update, becaome quaint like New Age is fashionable for one period of time and Scientology the other. However, if you want to extrapolate the same conclusions about Islam without having passed some years in an Islamic society of a diversity of 1.4 billion inhabitants of the same planet you reside, then you are seriously mistaken in your assessment.
    Islam is our way of life.
    Islam is our love.
    Islam is our patriotism.
    Islam is our philosophy.
    Islam is our ideal.
    Islam is our life and death.

    “death to secularism” is the true cry of a schizophrenic mindset.
    Schizophrenia:a serious mental illness in which someone cannot understand what is real and what is imaginary:as Cambridge’s dictionary states it, is an inaccurate desciption of our hatred of secularism.
    Because we have suffered for centuries due to secularist crusade of your Western colonialists.I am a Pakistani and I think I was born as a slave and I would die as a slave of the imposed secularism which only proliferated pornography in my lands a not very admirable achievement of the godless secularism that emanated from the remains of Christendom.I was born in Abbottabad. The word ‘Abbott’ I didn’t undesrtand only until recently signifies for me a collusion of two apparently dichotomous worldviews of Christianity and Secularism.When Church was in power it was embodied in Crusades, and today Secularist crusaders are bombing my sovereign country with high-tech Drones. It doesn’t really matter to me whether you are an atheist or a fervent Christian, you cannot reverse my slavery nor the proliferation of pornography in Muslim lands.

    On the 2nd of February 1835 in a speech before the British Parliament, Mr McCauley is quoted as saying:
    “I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation”.
    neorient@gmail.com

  13. Elija~Be not confused. I am unlike most in what you refer to as my part of the world. I stake no claim here. I just happened to be born here and for the most part I like it so I stayed. Don’t let my geographical location dictate to you or anyone else my social, intellectual, spiritual,or religious positions. First let me apologize for being too much of an honest thinker and prolific blogger for your seemingly overworked brain. I wish you well on your exams. I really do. Again I find that you fall into several traps that religious ferver set for you. First, I am not angry or emotional. I covered that in my past post. Why you choose to ignore my own statements about myself is known only to you and to those like you for I see this dishonesty in nearly every religious person to whom I speak. (Do you all have meetings to discuss this shit?) The simple fact that you choose to ignore or disallow my own statements about myself shows that your kind have no concept of rational thought or care for human beings; for if you did you would accept my answers regarding myself. I know this screws with your teachings to judge me based on some book you read, but then, intellectual honesty and religious mindsets cannot coexist. Funny how you respond to my post with an attitude that since the grandeur of your response is too big for you to post you will just skip it altogether. A rather convenient argument indeed. The fact that I use the words of your own teachers in response to you is obvious. Your lack of understanding why I do this strikes me as odd. Is it strange for you to see someone have an antithetical position to yours based on your beliefs? Is this what clouds your judgment of others that you judge them based on your teachings and not upon what THEY believe? Again, a very convenient position. False and unreasoned, but quite convenient.
    “Schizophrenia:a serious mental illness in which someone cannot understand what is real and what is imaginary:as Cambridge’s dictionary states it, is an inaccurate description(I corrected your spelling) of our hatred of secularism.”
    That definition proves my point quite handily. Belief in mystical creatures is not a rational course for the human mind unless it has been corrupted to do so; assuming we are talking modern humans and not our neanderthal ancestry. Funny, too how you like to point all of my observations at Christians when I am referring to all religions including yours specifically for the sake of this discussion.
    “Because we have suffered for centuries due to secularist crusade of your Western colonialists.I am a Pakistani and I think I was born as a slave and I would die as a slave of the imposed secularism which only proliferated pornography in my lands a not very admirable achievement of the godless secularism that emanated from the remains of Christendom.” Ok, first off…there is no WE. There is only YOU. Second, you are again using this group think mindset to place me in a box with a group that you have chosen to have hatred for. “Your western colonists”..are freaking kidding me? I had nothing to do with any of it. I denounce it. Satisfied? Stop viewing the world through the eyes of a closed minded, people grouping, hate monger. Not all Muslims are the same. Not all Christians are the same. But all religious people have common ties that drive their limited views of people and the world. That thing is FAITH without evidence. ie: Belief without proof, coupled with the refusal to apply it to any reasonable tests to prove it worthiness or even existence. Again, another lacking of intellectual honesty. Ok, wow..how to respond to your last paragraph??? Ummm, the English used to be quite the prolific conquering nation. Not so much now. You use that as a tool to defame western people. It doesn’t work, especially considering that the one nation on earth TODAY who has it in for India, is Pakistan. Until you can view and speak on ALL the evidence of a subject based on fact and not religious emotional outbursts, you would be better served not trying to give others another censored history lesson to attempt to further your agenda.

  14. With the collapse of Ja’far Al Sadiq’s empire in Iran and Ibn Hanbal’s slow demise in Saudi Arabia, the tide is turning and the fictitous sects that emerged during the Abbasid Empire knows as the Sunni and Shia sects and others who follow man made revelations known as hadiths are slowly collapsing. Malik’s Empire in Sudan is collapsing and Abu Hanifa’s Empire in Pakistan is turning upside down. The so called Islamic states have proven to be ideologically obsolete and in the wrong side of history. The sects are on life support and the Koranist will take over. So who are the Koranist?

    The Koranist believe only the Koran should speak for Islam.

    WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND TODAY’S PRACTICES?

    In comparing the teachings of Islam as derived from the Book of God to the practices taught and enforced by the popular Sunni and Shia faiths (1.2 Bn followers), we find that the list is quite extensive, with some of the highlights as follows:

    In Islam, the requirement to be a Muslim is to simply accept and live according to the �Straight Path� (6:151-153), Vs. the Sunni or Shia 5-pillars which come from unauthorized books�

    In Islam, abolishing Slavery is taught to be an act of righteousness (90:12-13), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which encourages slavery under war�

    In Islam, women are never forbidden from praying or fasting during Menstruation (2:222), nor is there a specific dress code (i.e. the Headscarf) imposed on them beyond modesty, Vs. the Sunni and Shia which teach the undermining of women and forcing them to cover their hair and avoid praying or fasting at certain times…

    In Islam, a man or women may leave a Will, after settlement of debt (4:12), Vs. Sunnis who refuse to accept wills if there are any direct descendants…

    In Islam, Monogamy is the basis for normal relationships, while polygamy is only allowed in cases involving marrying the mothers of orphans under the man�s guardianship (4:3), Vs. Sunnis where a man may be a polygamist simply if he can afford to, and Shia which allow sex for pleasure (Mut�a)…

    In Islam, Divorce is enforceable only after a two-phase period, and it may be made nullified if the couple reconcile before the end of this period (65:1, 65:4), Vs. Sunni teachings that destroy families by allowing a divorce to occur on the spot with no waiting period and no nullification…

    In Islam, Thieves do not have their hands cut-off, but are made to work until they return that which is stolen (12:76), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which brutally amputate the hands causing disability…

    In Islam, no one is allowed to be killed or Stoned for adultery (24:2), Vs. Sunni and Shia laws of stoning married adulterers to death…

    In Islam, absolute Freedom of Faith is allowed (2:256, 10:99; 18:29; 88:21-22), Vs. Sunni and Shia requiring apostates to be killed and rejecting the practice of other faiths…

    In Islam, people are acknowledged as being diverse and each is to be respected for his/her level of spiritual growth. A Submitter �Muslim� must work to attain the status of Faithful �Mumin� (49:14), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings that all followers of their religion must think, act, and even look the same (cult syndrome)…

    In Islam, War can only be declared in cases of self-defence – no offensives (2:190), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings allowing raids and attacks on any people who are considered non-Muslim by their standards…

    In Islam, Pilgrimage is a centre for gathering of nations and for all to witness the benefits of being together (22:27-28), Vs. Sunni and Shia bringing in polytheistic rituals and superstition (touching of black stone, circling 7 times, etc..)…

    In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (17:12, 9:36), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time�

    In Islam, males and females are not required to be Circumcised (32:7), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings requiring all males to be circumcised and females in some cases…

    In Islam, music, statues, gold and silk are all Lawful(7:32-33, 16:116), Vs. Sunni beliefs forbidding silk & gold for men, and forbidding music & statues for all…

    In Islam, rule of Government is under the constitution of the Qur’an through consultation and free-speech (5:48, 42:38). Vs. Sunni teachings which allow the rise of dictators or monarchs, and Shia teachings which uphold self-appointed religious leaders based on genealogy.

    For more about the rise of the Quranist and end of the Abbasid sects:

    http://iran.whyweprotest.net/off-topic/1565-collapse-sunni-shia-koranist-rise.html

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  16. @Elijah

    I am truly baffled by 1 comment in your whole long story (ok many comments but there’s way too much to criticise); you say:

    “The world needs an Imam Ahmad رحمه الله to defy the secularist hegemony which lies to the whole world about WMDs to subjugate a sovereign state with an impugnity chracteristic of a marriage between materialism and godlessness.My hatred to secularism is much more passionate than your hatred to your religion….”

    Its difficult not to take this as willful ignorance |& intellectual dishonesty. Please explain how Bush & Blair’s act of claiming WMD’s in Iraq was an act of secularism????

    You really have to be joking or appealing to people who haven’t read the news or are as blinded by Islam as you, while the US does have the 1st amendment regarding the prohibition of religion being used in the public sphere, it takes a special kind of ignorance to claim that Bush Junior didn’t use his podium to continually spout his belief in god (& that belief justifying his actions) as well as general christian deference.

    Here are some quotes (which do NOT indicate secularism):

    “This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.”

    “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”
    — George W Bush, according to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, from minutes acquired by Haaretz from cease-fire negotiations between Abbas and faction leaders from the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular and Democratic Fronts (circa, June, 2003), quoted from Arnon Regular, “‘Road map is a life saver for us,’ PM Abbas tells Hamas” (Haaretz.com: June 27, 2003), quoted from EvilOz (The Iterative Record)

    http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Politics/2004/07/George-W-Bush-On-Faith.aspx

    “Freedom is on the march in this world. I believe everybody in the Middle East desires to live in freedom. I believe women in the Middle East want to live in a free society. I believe mothers and fathers want to raise their children in a free and peaceful world. I believe all these things, because freedom is not America’s gift to the world, freedom is the almighty God’s gift to each man and woman in this world.”

    “…The God I know is one that promotes peace and freedom. But I get great sustenance from my personal relationship. That doesn’t make me think I’m a better person than you are, by the way. Because one of the great admonitions in the Good Book is, don’t try to take a speck out of your eye if I’ve got a log in my own.”

    “”My faith plays a big part in my life. And when I was answering that question what I was really saying to the person was that I pray a lot. And I do. And my faith is a very, it’s very personal. I pray for strength. I pray for wisdom. I pray for our troops in harm’s way. I pray for my family. I pray for my little girls.”

    So in other words, that part of your post, (along with some others) is utterly false in respect to your conclusion – the problem was a subset of christian ideology used against another subset of religious dogma -islamic ideology.

    I can also quote you Tony Blair (who continually professes the wonders of his faith & was instrumental to the Iraq War) but I believe the above is sufficient to repudiate the drivel which you wrote about secularism.

    Those attacks on Iraq had jack to do with secularism. So your “hatred of secularism” has more to do with hatred of another kind of alternative religious irrationality – of which Islam is but 1 subset.

    Your mental gymnastics are tiresomely amazing; it doesn’t surprise me from your irrational justification of Islam, how you can then around & blame secularism – keeping religion out of politics & the public sphere in general.

  17. @Nick
    You said:Its difficult not to take this as willful ignorance |& intellectual dishonesty. Please explain how Bush & Blair’s act of claiming WMD’s in Iraq was an act of secularism????

    Nick,
    The modern West today is essentially a secular society, which I believe is the unavoidable consequence of the nature of Christian religion itself which has played a major role in the development of West today, hence, my original question, why didn’t atheism and secularism originate in the Muslim World? why the modern secularism originated in the previously Christian West.

    The words ‘religion’ and ‘secularism’ have entirely different connotations for Muslims and modern Westerners owing to diametrically opposed historical imageries these words evoke in our minds. Religion evokes in the mind of a modern Westerner( as well as the new generation of Muslims who lost contact with their own languages, their own histories due to the greatest cultural onslaught or cultural colonialism in our history)an image of an ideology antagonistic to reason, while it evokes exactly the other image.For example, the counterpart of Galileo in our history would be a Muslim scientist whose observatory would be situated in a Masjid and who would be the most accomplished philosopher and theologian of his time. And, this image alone is the greatest inspiration for a modern spiritualism which every learned Muslim scientist, engineer, doctor, professional of today envisions.
    Likewise, secularism, which represents an ideal in the West, an emancipation from Christian religious authorities , represents a cruel tyrant for us. Mustafa Kamal, who imposed secularism on a devout Muslim population, forced Muslim women to remove Hijab.Hence, Islam represents that liberating force for us, like secularism was for you.Islam kept the flame of freedom alive in our hearts in the worst times of colonialism. Thousands of Muslims were denounced as traitors of Imperial Rule and eventually martyred.Even today, Islam is the inspiration in Iraq to stand upto the Imperialists and die a martyr’s death.

    Bush and Blair’s religious rhetoric cannot become the basis of an argument for their being anti-secular, because they are not only part of a secular system, but the elected representatives of an essentially ‘secular society’ which isn’t very different from its Christian predecessor for its hostility towards Islam, which considered Islam an enemy of Christ, and considers even today.

    Modern Westerners consider Islam as a subset of religiuos ‘irrationality'(a purely Western connotation of Ilm & Aql (rationality) Ilm has never been separate from Rabb(God) in the Islamic polity, thus the famous prayer Rabbee Zidnee ‘Ilmaa, invoking God for knowledge ) while your religious compatriots consider Islam as a subset of the enemies of Christ along with modernity.But, I believe Islam is the only viable alternative worldview and a way of life for the West to salvage it from the contemporary nihilistic ambivalence.

    Note:English is not my first language therefore I may have failed to get across my point precisely.
    neorient@gmail.com

  18. Muhammad Elijah said that Islam and Christianity has different understanding of concepts. Yet the Quran in chapter 5 did not seperate the Torah, Gospel from the Quran. The Quran in fact uses the term Shariah for the Gospel and says people who do not judge by its rule are infidels. This means the Quran sees the Gospel as equal to the Quran and sees the Gospel as shariah law.

    We know the Gospel has no communal laws but the Quran still sees it as shariah. So its important to remind ourselves that its God and humans who often differ in treminolgy as the Quran uses shariah very different from humans who see it as earthly communal laws.

    5.46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

    47. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

    48. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

    “Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein”

    “To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way”

    ” so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. ”

    Here the Quran says the Gospel should be obeyed and people should rule by its laws and commands. It then says the Gospel, Torah and Quran are all God’s religion and each community will be judged by its criteria and its adherence to the scripture they inherited.

    There is no communal laws in the Gospel yet the Quran sees it as shariah. Yet we see Sunnis use these verses to justify the so called Islamic state that exists in scholarly books and has no reality in real life.

  19. Hai humans,
    I am a muslim, but I dont believe in this religion. But I cant express the truth to the society, becoz they will surely distroy me and my family. I think thousands of muslims are in fear and that is why they keep silence. I have lot of such friends. We can find lot of errors in quran and anti human happenings in hadiths – socially, scientifically and culturally. Lot of books were published on this. So I dont try here to write all again.

    I am writing this to know, is there any association to preserve us, if we come out from this cruel religion?? We need safety from islam cruelists. Please help. If a strong group is there I think this religion will shatter and end for ever from the earth. We have to work for a better peaceful, non terror world by sweeping islam from the earth.

  20. Hai humans,
    I am a muslim, but I dont believe in this religion. But I cant express the truth to the society, becoz they will surely distroy me and my family. I think thousands of muslims are in fear and that is why they keep silence. I have lot of such friends. We can find lot of errors in quran and anti human happenings in hadiths – socially, scientifically and culturally. Lot of books were published on this. So I dont try here to write all again.

    I am writing this to know, is there any association to preserve us, if we come out from this cruel religion?? We need safety from islam cruelists. Please help. If a strong group is there I think this religion will shatter and end for ever from the earth. We have to work for a better peaceful, non terror world by sweeping islam from the earth.

  21. Why do non Muslims always like to appear as ex-Muslims who despise Islam but scared to leave?

    Thats why the terrorist are winning because their adversaries are weak and lack credibility.

    Quran is peace!

  22. @Quranist:

    “Why do non Muslims always like to appear as ex-Muslims who despise Islam but scared to leave?”

    Why do some muslims assume that all ex-muslims that want to leave Islam are lying?

    One, this is blatantly not true – there are many ex-muslims around – Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Maryam Namazie amongst others.

    Two, this is plainly ridiculous considering the hadith sanction of death for apostasy – which HAS been enforced on ex-muslims.

    I suppose the real question is, why don’t those specific muslims sticking their head in the sand railing with the oxymoronic “islam is peace”, stop assuming they know enough about other people wanting to leave the faith , to judge that they are ALL liars (ie that they are not ex-muslims but are just prior non-muslims pretending to be so).

    You know everything about these victims’ families & environment to immediately discount their own testimonies? – Such arrogance is overwhelming & can only derive from a worldview derived from some type of obnoxious fundamentalism.

  23. Brother without name

    Assalamu Alaikum
    You said:

    I am a muslim, but I dont believe in this religion.

    Brother, if you think any other religion like Christianity is the true religion and, in that case, Christian God is true God, and Islam is a false religion, your private conviction is enough for your “salvation” in the Hereafter as as they call it.
    What possible advantages do you expect to gain from expressing you beliefs in an Islamic society. Inspite of your private non-Muslim beliefs, no one can disentitle you full rights of a Muslim like even rising to the position of the Caliph:the head of the global Islamic state. Islam disallows the right to publicly renounce Islam after once converting to Islam but only that can prevent disingenous claims of conversion.

    Personally, I believe it is a characteristic of truth, once you acknowledge it you don’t have a right to renounce it later. This is like scientist who is convinced that earth is a sphere doesn’t have a right to express in the scientific community that earth is flat.

    I think thousands of muslims are in fear and that is why they keep silence. I have lot of such friends.

    By the way, truth knows no fear, even the fear of death. I think there isn’t a single Muslim country that bars its citizens from settling in the West. You can continue to live as a Muslim in an Islamic society and as a non-Muslim in West.

    Brother, you should also think about those who are not in thousands, but more than a billion who are convinced that Islam is the true religion, and in the words of a Christian Evangelist so much steadfast in their convictions that they are unconvertible.

    “Islam is apparently unconvertible.The missionary efforts made by great Catholic orders which have been occupied in trying to turn Mohammedans into Christians for nearly 400 years have everywhere wholly failed.We have in some places driven the Mohammedan master out and freed his Christian subjects from Mohammedan control, but we have had hardly any effect in converting individual Mohammedans…”
    Hilaire Belloc, The Great Heresies, 1938
    http://www.ewtn.com/library/homelibr/heresy4.txt

    We can find lot of errors in quran and anti human happenings in hadiths – socially, scientifically and culturally. Lot of books were published on this. So I dont try here to write all again.

    A lot of books are also published to prove the fallacy of the alleged errors.Unlike Bible, Qur’aan isn’t only consistent with modern scientific data, but it has made remarkably scientific statements fourteen centuries ago like the description of Big Bang and constant expansion of universe.
    http://quranmiracles.com/

    I would cite for you the statement of an learned European to encourage you to reconsider your position.

    “In those weeks, I truly entered into the spirit of Islam to such an extent that ultimately I became inwardly convinced that I myself was a Muslim, and judiciously discovered that this was the only religion which, even in its doctrinal and official formulation, can satisfy philosophic minds. My ideal was to elevate Judaism to a similar rational level. Islam, as my experience taught me, is the only religion, in which superstitious and heathen ingredients are not frowned upon by rationalism, but by orthodox doctrine.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ign%C3%A1c_Goldziher

    As far as our life after death in the Hereafter is concerned, I would like to extend an invitation to reconsider Islam as the faith of salvation in the Hereafter.
    وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ 3:85
    For, if one goes in search of a religion other than Islam(self-surrender unto God), it will never be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the lost.
    http://honorablequran.com/3.htm

    @Nick and Justin
    You are under no obligation to convert to Islam in the life of this world.

    لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ 2:256
    THERE SHALL BE no coercion in matters of faith. Distinct has now become the right way from [the way of] error: hence, he who rejects the powers of evil and believes in God has indeed taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way: for God is all-hearing, all-knowing.
    Note of Muhammad Asad:The term din denotes both the contents of and the compliance with a morally binding law; consequently, it signifies “religion” in the widest sense of this term, extending over all that pertains to its doctrinal contents and their practical implications, as well as to man’s attitude towards the object of his worship, thus comprising also the concept of “faith”. The rendering of din as “religion”, “faith”, “religious law” or “moral law” depends on the context in which this term is used. – On the strength of the above categorical prohibition of coercion (ikrah) in anything that pertains to faith or religion, all Islamic jurists (fuqaha’), without any exception, hold that forcible conversion is under all circumstances null and void, and that any attempt at coercing a non-believer to accept the faith of Islam is a grievous sin: a verdict which disposes of the widespread fallacy that Islam places before the unbelievers the alternative of “conversion or the sword”.

    For contact: neorient@gmail.com

  24. Hello

    I havent read all of this page, however some of the different contributors arguments arent all right.

    I would be interested in discussing your ideas with you taariq, for my own knowledge.

    If you could let me know what you think , I would appreciate it .

    Thanks
    Husain

  25. Yasmeen i thk u shud stick to your believs and not let anyone put doubt in your mind about islam. Believe wateva you all feel like believing and stop picking on islam, its not our faults that you dont believe in anything. And yes islam is a peacefull religion those who cant exept it will never know. There wrotten apples evreywhr and n0t all muslims are wat u thk of them. Im sick off people like you if you dnt blve in anything then dont but stop brainwashing,hindus praise idols atleast we believ in God.

  26. Freedom in the Quran:

    16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

    6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

    4:79-80 Say:’Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper.”

    11:28 He (Noah) said “O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?�

    17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe …. Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

    21:107-109 (O Prophet?) ‘We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:” Declare, “Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?’ But if they turn away then say, “I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far.”

    22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do.”

    24.54. Say: “Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

    88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

    48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

    36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, “Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.’

    39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

    42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ….

    64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

    67:25 26 And they ask, “When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?” Say, “The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner.”

    10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

    28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: “To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant,” It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

    109.1-6 Say : O ye that reject Faith,! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.

    74.11-17 Leave Me with whom I created alone!, To whom I granted resources in abundance, And sons to be by his side, To whom I made (life) smooth and comfortable, Yet is he greedy-that I should add (yet more);- By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory!, Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities!

    “So have We appointed for every Prophet an enemy – devils of men and Jinns; who inspire each other with seductive, deceptive speech which leads astray; but had thy Lord willed they would not have done so. So leave them with what they do devise. And let the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter listen to it; and let them be well pleased with it; and let them gain what they can gain!” 6:113-114

    “And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 6:68

    2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing

    Quran is freedom, Quran is peace!

  27. THE BIBLE Vs QUR’AN-HADITH
    The Bible
    The Bible comprises:
    1. God’s statements (at times printed in red)
    2. Prophets’/Apostles’ traditions and
    3. The report of events of Biblical times
    In Islam, the ‘God’s statements (Qur’an) is completely separated from the ”Prophet’s/Apostles’ traditions”.
    Muslims’ Ignorance
    It is a pity that Muslims, who mistakenly imagine the Holy Bible to be like the Qur’an, quote the ‘reports’ and ‘traditions’ parts of the Bible in their efforts to prove that “the Bible is contradictory etc and therefore it is not God’s statements” instead of them to quote the Biblical God’s statements. Nevertheless, their arguments are normally simplistic.
    The Hadith
    It should be noted that Hadith, the Islamic equivalent of the portion of the Bible often capitalised upon by the Muslims, is the most contradictory and controversial book on Earth.
    In the Hadith, to virtually every story or law there are radical or contradictory versions.
    Qur’an/Hadith
    Though successive revisions and corrections of the Qur’an have made it more consistent than Hadith, even Uthmanic version, the last version of the Qur’an, has created more questions than answers and left so many vital questions unanswered. Thus more fabrications and plagiarisms aimed at complementing even this last version of the Qur’an were made and added, not to the Qur’an as would have been preferred but, to the Hadith because the Qur’an had erstwhile been publicly declared as haven been perfectly completed.
    Consequently the Hadith, which is supposed to solely be Traditions of Muhammad (Interpretation of the Qur’an) exceeds its scope such that it contains, in addition to Quranic elements:
    i. Some big pre-Islamic stories/religious laws that are not traceable to the Qur’an and were logically plagiarised from the Bible and para- phrased.
    ii. Some stories/religious laws that are by their virtue, supposed to be divine revelations and, therefore, originate from the Qur’an, but are curiously, not traceable to the Qur’an.
    Examples of Hadth Exceeding its Scope (including Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih al-Muslim)
    i. Hadis-al-Qudsi (supposed Allah’s statements), which are not traceable to the Qur’an.
    ii. The Second Coming of Jesus (and some funny details), which are not traceable to the Qur’an.
    iii. How to pray in Islam which, you may not believe it, is not traceable to Allah’s statements (Qur’an).
    iv. The coming of the Dijjal on the Last Day and the reversed movement of the Sun by then, which is not from Qur’an.
    v. Some additional sexually incredible stories of the said Paradise gift damsels (Hurul-in) and many other materials that are supposed to have been originally stated by Allah but are curiously not traceable to the Qur’an.
    Indisputable Evidences of Corruption of The Qur’an
    The evidences of mutilations even in the current (Uthmanic) version of the Qur’an include the following:
    a. ALIF. LAM. MIN (which has been rendered meaningless by wrongful removal of some connective letters or words)
    b. KAF. YA. A. IN. SAD ” ”
    c. TA. SIN ” ”
    d. ALIF. LAM. MIN. SAD ” ”
    e. TA. SIN. MIN ” ”
    f. ALIF. LAM. RA. ” ”
    g. ALIF. LAM. MIN. RA etc etc. These evident corruptions occurred more than thirty (30) times in the Qur’an. What is clear is that God could not have made such meaningless statements. And if He did Prophet Muhammad would logically have asked Him (God) their meanings.
    The So-called Variant Readings of the Qur’an (actually various versions of the Qur’anic verses and phrases)
    Let me start from the Islamic sources themselves. According to ‘wise’ Islamic Scholars, the reason for these various versions is that, “When Qur’an was collated and compiled, the scribes and copyists wrote the text without using any diacritical points or marks. They relied on their familiarity with the text for correct reading. However, with passage of time the readers of the Qur’an faced difficulties in this respect and they came to read and understand the verses in ways that differed slightly from one another”. See AL-TAWHID, 1990 Vol. vii, no. 3 page 41. (P.O. Box 14155, Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran).
    The AL-TAWHID stated that versions of fourteen (14) reciters were originally chosen of which seven (7) have been considered the ‘mutawatir’ (most reliable), three as ‘ahad’ and the other four as ‘shadhah’.
    AL-TAWHID adds, “Some like Jalal al-din al-Balqini, have accepted this classification while some like al-Suyuti consider the tawatur’ (authenticity) of the seven readers as doubtful for the following reasons:-
    i. Because they have been transmitted through ‘Akhbar ahad’.
    ii. Because some of the seven qurra (readers) were not reliable (muwaththaq) as narrators.
    iii. Because those qira’at (readings) depended on subjective judgement (ra’y) and personal ‘ijtihad’ (thought) of the qurra. Had these been received through ‘tawatur’ from the Messenger of Allah there would have been no need of proof to establish their authenticity.
    iv. Because some scholars have rejected some instances in the readings of the seven qurra”
    AL-TAWHID continues “According to al-Zarakshi in al-Burhan fi ulum al-Qur’an (i, 318), those who believe in these seven qira’at being mutawatur (reliable) do so on the following bases:-
    i. They claim ‘ijma’ (consensus) on the affirmation of their tawatur.
    ii. They furnish evidence in favour of their authenticity on the bases of the care exercised by the ‘Sahabah’ (Muhammad’s companions) in the memorization and recitation of the Qur’an.
    iii. They argue that not to regard these qira’at as ‘mutawatir’ necessarily leads to regarding the Qur’an also as non ‘mutawatir ‘.”
    Another Moslems’ book titled ‘ITHBAT AN-NUBUWWA (THE PROOF OF PROPHETHOOD)’ noted that some Islamic scholars doubted the authenticity of Qur’an as compiled, maintaining that even “The Sahabah (Muhammad’s companions) were in doubt about some parts of the Qur’an. Abdullah ibn Mas’ud (radi-Allahu’anh) said that surat al-fatiha and suras of ‘Mu’awwizatan’ did not belong in the Qur’an. However, these three suras (chapters) are most renowned suras of the Qur’an….”.
    In response, the book claim, “Sahabahs doubt about some suras belonging to the Qur’an….was because each of the suras was only reported by one person. According to the principle of ‘usul al-hadith’, information transmitted by one reporter is not certain, but doubtful…., there was disagrement as to wether or not they (the suras) belong to the Qur’an, which brings no harm agaisnt our (Moslems’) cause”
    Obviously, the doubting scholars cited Mas’ud because he, as shown by many Hadith (including that of Bukhari and Muslim) had been rated by Prophet Muhammad himself as the best of all reciters. In fact, even if the above given reason is the only and the only cause of Mas’ud’s disbelieve in such chapters, his action was not only the best by the law of logic but even by the Qur’an itself (5:109-111, 24:4-10). Thus the ‘fakeness’ of the doubtful chapters.
    The book acknowledges that the doubting scholars pointed out that “there have been disagreements concerning both the recitation and the meaning of the Qur’an among the scholars of Islam. On the other hand, Allahu-ta-ala intimates that the Qur’an contains no points of disagrement. For example He declares in the eight-first ayat of surat an-Nisa: ‘Were this Qur’an the word of some one other than Allah, it would contain many incongruities’…”
    According to this book, the doubting scholars cite the incongruities which, in the light of surat an-Nisa, imply human authorship of the Qur’an as:-
    i. Some read a phrase in surat al-Qaria: 81 as:
    “Kal’ ihni’l-man-fush” while others read it as “Kassafi’l-manfush”
    ii. Some read surat al-Jum’a: 9 as:
    “fas’aw ila dhikri’llah” while others read it as “famdu ila dhikrillah”
    iii. Some read surat al-Baqara: 61 as:
    “alaihimu’ dh-dhillata wa’l-maskanata” while others read it as “alaihimu’l-maskanata wa’dh-dhillata”
    The doubting scholars, the book noted, conclude, “The disagreement pertaining to meanings in the Qur’an can be examplified as follows:
    i. The 19th ayat of surat Saba’ states, ‘Rabbana ba’id baina asfarina’. Which means, ‘Our Rabb! Take our books way from us? It is an invocation to Allah.
    Some read it as, ‘Rabbana ba’ada baina asfarina’ which means, ‘Our Rabb has taken our books away from us”
    ii. The 115th ayat of surat Ma’ida says, ‘Hal yastati’u Rabbuka’, which means ‘Will your Rabb accept your prayer?’.
    Some read it as, ‘Hal tastali’u Rabbaka,’ which means, ‘Will you pray to your Rabb’ “.
    Responding, the book acknowledges that the Quran ic verses were confirmed by (human) consensus and adds, “….Our Prophet (SAW) said, ‘The Qur’an was revealed on seven harps (readings) each of which is curative and sufficient.’ For this reason, the disagreement arising from the readings and the meanings of the Qur’an do not undermine its being ‘Mu’jiz’, said the book, ITHBAT AN_NUBUWWA (Waqf ikhlas Publications No. 9, TENTH EDITION, with address as:
    HAKIKAT KITABEVI
    Darrussefeka Cad. No. 57/A P.K. 35
    34262-Faith ISTANBUL Tel: (90) (1) 523 45 56
    TURKEY
    1991
    In his edition, a leading English Qur’an translator, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, explains two examples of the variant meanings among the present Qur’ans:
    i. Qur’an 1:3
    “Master of the Day of Judgment” and
    “Sovereign of the Day of Judgment”
    ii. Qur’an 5:6
    “…wash your faces…and (wash) your feet” and
    “…wash your faces and wipe your heads and (wipe) your feet”
    Then he (Ali) claims, “..It is obvious from the two instances that in the variant readings, there is absolutely no contradiction in essence. On the other hand, they make the meaning all the more comprehensive. And the same is true of all the other variant readings”.
    Readers, in the above examples, all given by Islamic authorities themselves, of the numerous inconsistencies that exist in the Qur’an, I still let you see the best excuse or reasons the renowned Islamic Scholars could themselves invent which (the ‘reasons’ ) only expose how a mere consensus book and, therefore fallible and controversial the Qur’an has always been. It does not require much intelligence to realize from the above that:
    i. There is no original Qur’an at all and
    ii. The Qur’an is full of evidences of its being produced by human being.
    That is apparently why Ali takes solace in the escapist conclusion that in ‘essence’ the Qur’an does not contradict itself. That is because Ali knew that all the variant readings can’t be correct at the same time. They, logically and technically, could not have been uttered by Allah at the same time. So, only one can be correct in every category. Even the mildest variant reading Ali cleverly cited of ‘Master’ and ‘Sovereign’ still implies that the Qur’an has been tempered with. Allah could only have said ‘Master’ or ‘Sovereign’. Other inconsistencies are evident at a glance.
    More Inconsistencies in the Qur’an
    Compare Qur’an 3:45-49 and 19:17-20 (Allah account of Jesus birth. Compare the corresponding words in capital)
    Qur’an 3:45 “…the ANGELS said ‘OH MARY! LO! ALLAH GIVES YOU A GLAD TIDING OF A WORD FROM HIM. WHOSE NAME IS MESSIAH, SON OF MARY, A SIGN IN THE WORLD AND HEREAFTER AND ONE OF THOSE CLOSE TO ALLAH. 46 HE WILL TALK TO MANKIND IN HIS CRADLE AND HIS MANHOOD. AND HE IS AMONG THE RIGHTEOUS. 47 She said ‘MY LORD how can I have a son when no man has touched me? He said SO IT WILL BE. ALLAH CREATES WHAT HE WISHES. IF HE DECREES A THING HE JUST SAY TO IT ‘be’ AND IT WILL. 48 AND HE WILL TEACH HIM SCRIPTURE AND WISDOM AND TORAH AND GOSPEL. 49 AND HE WILL MAKE HIM A MESSENGER TO ISRAELITES”.
    QUR’AN 19:17 “…then we sent to her (Mary) our spirit (angel) and he assumed to her the likeness of a perfect man. 18 She said ‘LO! SEEK REFUGE FROM THE BENEFICIENT ONE ABOUT YOU, IF YOU ARE A GOD FEARING ONE. 19 He Said ‘I AM JUST A MESSENGER OF YOUR LORD, THAT I MAY GIVE YOU A FAULTLES SON. 20 She said ‘How can I have a son when no man has touched me AND I HAVE NOT BEEN UNCHASTE? He said ‘SO IT WILL BE YOUR LORD SAID IT IS EASY FOR US. AND IT WILL BE THAT WE WILL MAKE HIM A REVELATION TO MANKIND AND MERCY FROM US IT IS A THING ORDAINED”.
    For more inconsistencies compare:-
    Qur’an 7:11-13 with 38:72-78, with 15:28:34; especially 7:13-18 with 38:77-86, with 15:34-44 and with 17:62-65.
    Qur’an 3:7-8 with 39:23, 11:1, 16:89, 2:185, 54:17, 27:1; especially 3:7-8 with 16:89, 54:17 and 11:1.
    Qur’an 29:16-18 with 21:51-57 with 37:83-90 with 26:69-82; especially 21:57-58 with 37:89-93, 21:58-66 with 37:97-99
    Qur’an 3:45-49 with 19:17-20; especially 3:45-46 with 19:19, 3:47 with 19:20, 3:47-49 with 19:20
    Qur’an 7:120-124, with 20:70-73; especially 7:120-122 with 20:70, 7:123-124, 20:71, 7:125-126 and 20:72-73
    Qur’an 29:31-32 with 51:24-34, 15:51-60, 11:69-76
    Qur’an 11:77-83 with 15:61-74.
    Qur’an 3:38-40 with 19:2-10, 21:89-90.
    Qur’an 28:29 with 20:9-10, 27:7-12.
    Qur’an 28:30 with 20:11-16, 27:8-11.
    Qur’an 20:21 with 28:31, 27:10-11.
    Qur’an 28:32 with 20:22-24, 27:12.
    Qur’an 28:33-34 with 20:25-35.
    Qur’an 20:65 with 10:79-81.
    Qur’an 20:65 with 10:81, 7:115.
    Qur’an 28:34 with 7:109-115, 20:57-64, 10:79-81.
    What came from one person (God) is supposed to at least be consistent. Therefore the Qur’an did not come from one person (God), because other than human factor there is no honest or realistic reason for its inconsistecies.
    ARE THERE INCONSISTENCIES AND CONTRADICTIONS IN THE HOLY BIBLE?
    Unlike the Qur’an, the Bible did not come from one person. Pathetically, the Muslims mistakenly see the Bible as the Christian equivalent of their Qur’an. So, like I said earlier, they cite wrong parts of the Bible to proof that the Christian Word of God is contradictory.
    Even then, logically, the seeming inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible are what confirm its genuineness. Such parts of the Holy Bible were observations and writings of VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS and under VARIOUS CONDITIONS. Scientifically, such reports are subject to INDIVIDUALITY and CONDITIONALITY unless they are edited. Therefore, this existence of ‘INDIVIDUALNESS’ and ‘CONDITIONALITY’ is logically a strong proof that the individual Biblical account have never been edited; and are not fictions in which case they would have been identically written by all the collaborators, but are true and historical events writen independently by various individuals.
    Example of CONDITIONALITY
    Mark (10:46-52) says that Jesus healed while LEAVING Jericho. But Luke (18:35-43) says while ENTERING Jericho. This, as a Western Reverend writer observes in his book, had been thought to be (as it is apparently) a sharp contradiction until the excavation of Earnest Sellen of the German Oriental Society (citing ‘Archeology and Bible History page 295), when it was discovered that the Jericho of Jesus’ time was a double city–Jewish (old) Jericho and Roman (modern) Jericho, such that LEAVING one could as well mean ENTERING the other.
    Therefore both Mark and Luke are perfectly right. Their various versions were caused by the CONDITION of the then Jericho namely, its double-city nature.
    Example of INDIVIDUALITY
    Because Mark and Luke (as in the case above) did not collaborate but rather independently wrote, INDIVIDUALITY became obvious in their judgments. Thus while one of them ‘conservatorially’ regarded regarded the original (Jewish) Jericho as the (actual) Jericho, the other ‘modernly’ regarded the administrative (Roman) Jericho as (currently) the Jericho.
    Other Examples
    i. Mark (1:6) says, “John’s food was ONLY locust and honey”, while Mathew (11:18) says, “John came NEITHER eating nor drinking.
    Here, while Mark considered the ‘exact aspect’ of John’s feeding, Mathew on the other hand considered the ‘comparative’ or ‘metaphorical’ aspect .
    ii. According to John (19:17) Jesus bore his cross up to the Golgotha. But according to Luke (23:26), one Simon was later on forced to carry the cross to follow Jesus. ‘A clear contradiction!! ‘, Muslims would exclaim. But the fact is that the then Jerusalem was a large and walled city and Golgotha was a place just outside Jerusalem. Normally, Jesus most have bore his cross from the Pilate’s Court to as far as outside the Jerusalem Wall and within the premises of the Golgotha before the Simon, who was not even an accused, was nevertheless forced to just take over form the apparently too fatigued Jesus to the exact crucifixion spot.
    Therefore, while John ignored the ‘negligible’ contribution of Simon, Luke on the other hand, recognized it, perhaps for historical record.
    Naturally, ‘INDIVIDUALITY’ and ‘CONDITIONALITY’ variously manifest any time a historical event is independently reported by different individuals and or when there is a difference of condition.
    These types of situations are what Muslims simplistically referred to as contradictions in the Bible.
    It should be noted, however, that the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Qur’an can not be explained in terms of ‘CONDITIONALTY’ and ‘INDIVIDUALITY’ because the Qur’an as a whole was supposedly uttered by one person (God). Of course if there exist contradictions in the direct words of God in the Bible, they likewise can not be explained in that ways. But there is non in actual sense.
    May the Almighty Yahweh open the eyes of my Muslim friends to see the light of Christ.

  28. Mr. Nurel Maseeh ben Haqq
    Let me translate your comment name from Arabic to English.
    Noor=Light,Maseeh=Messiah,ben=son of,Haqq=Truth
    Mr.Light of Messiah/Son of Truth,
    I see the Light of Messiah being overcome by the darknesses of Godlessness,materialism and sexual perversion in the spiritual graveyard of historical Judaeo-Christendom. Darknesses or Zulumaat in Islam is a plural noun signifying the plurality of evil and falsehood instead the uniqueness and oneness of an-Noor or The Light and al-Haqq or The Truth.The onslaught of Godlessness,materialism and sexual perversion that plagues the humanity today is specifically Judaeo-Christian in origin. The secular ,or politically incorrectly worldly Judaeo-Christendom is the firm grip of the secular forces of Dajjaal or antiChrist.

    If religious Jews and Christians want to liberate their compatriots from the slavery of evil forces, they have no option left but to take refuge in the spiritual sanctuary of Islam.

    The following may guide Yahood(Jews as in Qur’aan) and Nasaaraa(Christians as in Qur’aan) to the spiritual sanctuary of Islam.Otherwise, you would be destroyed by the evil forces of ‘Amalu Qaumu Loot/Sodomy,Zinaa/adultery,fornication,Zinaa of eyes/pornography which would lead humanity to the painful abyss of Jahannam/Hell.

    jews-for-allah.org
    jesuswillreturn.com
    harunyahya.com

  29. Mr. Light of Messiah
    I dispute the indisputability of “Indisputable Evidences of Corruption of The Qur’an”
    ALIF. LAM. MIN (which has been rendered meaningless by wrongful removal of some connective letters or words)

    This is the first of its kind of what I have listened from a non-Muslim. I would like you to elaborate and substantiate the so called removal?
    That would suffice at least to disprove the indisputability of one of your fallacies.

  30. Assalaamu ‘Alaikum brother Bigmo

    “Torah, Gospel and Quran is from God.

    Talmud, Trinity and Hadith is from man.

    Who do you trust?”

    And I should add:
    Karaitism,Sola Sriptura and Pseudo-Qur’aanism are Innovations.
    Karaites and sola scripture Christians have an advantage because pristine Torah-Tawraat and pristine Gospel-Injeel are no longer extant. But Pseudo-Qur’aanism and all post-colonial slavery Bid’aat in Islam like Ghulam Ahmadism, Bahaaullaahism would destroy by the sword of al-Qur’aan.

    http://www.indonesiamatters.com/677/quran-hadith/cp-6/#comment-171050

  31. Religion is a mental survival tool of the self, unrealized. Self and spirit are separate and yet we spend our time worrying about afterlife rather than the one life we have to discover what it is God placed us here to do. At one time religion may have been necessary to help explain the strangeness of primitive intuition, not unlike creating gods or spirits to explain the nature around us, but at some point if we do not evolve our intuition into enlightenment then all the scripture in the world is rendered meaningless. We must grow our minds towards love of the universe and everything in it. We must evolve away from dogma and self-important egoism. As long as we cling to the virtues of our ego we shall never be truly free to witness the beauty of the universe that is so poorly characterized in the religious texts of the world. Moral atheism is the only true path to world peace

  32. Mr. Elijah,
    I was in the bloody and bleeding jungle of Islam before Jesus freed me. Mr Elijah, by your name, you might be one of those greedy or financially troubled Black Americans who normally convert to Islam in order to get money from excited Muslim Arabs. Let me tell you, you people don’t have an iota of respect in the Muslim World because every one knows that whenever Black wants money all he thinks of doing is to convert to Islam. I was in the Middle East when the finacially-troubled Michael Jackson converted to Islam so that an Arab Prince that he (Michael) owed would forgive him the huge debt. When the Arab Prince refused to forgive Michael and even took him to court, Michael stopped being ‘Muslim’ because he realized that his fraud would not work. History has shown that virtually all the Blacks that converted to Islam did so because they had ran into trouble and they wanted the desperate Arab Islamizers to come to their assistence.
    If you know Islam very well, I challenge you for an open online debate. Let the readers follow the debate.
    Talking about sex; have you forgotten that your Islamic Paradise you would supposedly be given many beautiful damsel (hurul-in) and young gays all for sex and alcohol to drink? Come on, don’t let me expose Islam!!!

  33. @Light of Messiah
    “I was in the bloody and bleeding jungle of Islam before Jesus freed me. Mr Elijah, by your name, you might be one of those greedy or financially troubled Black Americans who normally convert to Islam in order to get money from excited Muslim Arabs. Let me tell you, you people don’t have an iota of respect in the Muslim World because every one knows that whenever Black wants money all he thinks of doing is to convert to Islam.”
    I seriously doubt you were ever a Muslim. The criticism of an ex-Muslim and a non-Muslim can easily be judged by the intution of a Muslim heart.
    Elijah is my nome de plume.The erroneous hasty generalisations followed simply from my nome de plume isn’t something a fervent lover of God and a fervent lover of Jesus should do.
    You can’t understand the spiritual ecstasy of those Muslims who spend upon their Bilaal radi Allaahu ‘anhu(May God be pleased with him) resembling brothers the hearts of whom Allaah opens for Islam . Bilaal radi Allaahu ‘anhu was black, a slave yet he was assigned an important religious duty in Islam-to say Azaan, the five times a day Call to Salaah and Falaah(Success).Many opposed him, but his natural colour created by Allaah didn’t hinder.
    Someone has said we only recognize our biases, we can’t overcome them. But, in Islam, the question of worldly biases doesn’t even arise in the first place. The only bias is between the lovers of Allaah and enemies of Allaah. Perhaps the only solution to the problem of racism is the spiritual sanctuary of Islam. Muslims never question the intentions of a revert to the pristine spiritual nature of humanity.
    May Allaah bless us both the company of Messiah in Heaven.

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